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b_binaohan

omg. i don't know why it irritates me so much when i see these ignorant comments like 'race in europe is diferrent than america!'

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b_binaohan

like. ppl who've been following me for a while know that i go on rants about this all the time.

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b_binaohan

i really do wish, though, that people would stop conflating nordicism and racism. nordicism is a subset of racism, but not the same.

east indian princex
b_binaohan

in nordicism, whites like south and east europeans are considered inferior -- but still white.

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b_binaohan

in regular racism, there is no difference between the whites of north/west/south/east europe. all white and equally privileged.

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b_binaohan

_nordicism_ still has a stronger hold on europe than it does in canada/usa.

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b_binaohan

but look: europe invented both racism and nordicism. being considered 'inferior white' is NOT the same as being actually NOT WHITE/OTHER.

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b_binaohan

nordicism is why certain groups in europe, however, were targetted for eugenics and genocide. this matters.

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b_binaohan

nordicism, though, STILL has influence and sway in the us/canada. HOWEVER, the racial superstructure is more influential.

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b_binaohan

to an extent, yes, this means that race in the US is more reductive/simplistic than in the europe.

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b_binaohan

HOWEVER they run off of the exact same principle: which is the oppression of all peoples considered OTHER/non-white.

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b_binaohan

this means that regardless of experience in nordicism, all white people are privileged oppressors of NON-white ppl.

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b_binaohan

the thing about all these 'zomg, race discourse is too us-centric' europeans is that they don't know their own fucking history.

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b_binaohan

instead, they buy into white mythologies and white exceptionalism and believe that shit they created is different in the colonies.

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b_binaohan

but also note how most of these europe-exceptionalists NEVER EVER mention the Saami who actually were NEVER considered white

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b_binaohan

but are actually indigenous in north europe. go ahead and read the primary texts in scientific racism and eugenics. its all there.

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b_binaohan

so like, these europe-exceptionalists always want us to think that stuff is 'different' there while erasing actual non-white Indigenous ppl

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b_binaohan

because every single time i hear them bring up how stuff is 'more complicated' they are always talking about WHITE ppl like east euros.

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b_binaohan

but so that ppl know: nordicism is why east/south euro immigrants in the US were discriminated against. but they were always white. ALWAYS.

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b_binaohan

like, the decline in their discrimination coincides perfectly with the decline in nordicism, which was basically done by the end of WWII.

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b_binaohan

nordicism was the main racial ideology of nazism and the horrors of WWII basically killed what was left of this in the colonies.

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b_binaohan

@gendereldritch yes, sure.

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b_binaohan

and look: all of the shit i'm talking about can be found (in broad strokes) in wiki articles on nordicism and scientific racism.

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b_binaohan

you don't even have to subject yourself to the triggering and disgusting primary sources like i did.

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b_binaohan

but interesting how this info is pretty readily accessible but euro-exceptionalists never ever seem to refer to it?

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b_binaohan

instead, in their desire to (mostly get Black ppl to stfu) critique us-centrism they craft this other narrative.

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b_binaohan

this narrative like racism is somehow worse/more extreme/etc in the colonies... when it really isn't.

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b_binaohan

instead they claim they want to have 'nuanced' discussions about racism when they can't even read a fcking wiki article on their own history

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b_binaohan

but 'nuanced' in about 99.9% of the cases i've seen really means "stfu Black ppl, stop making everything about you"

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b_binaohan

i swear, i don't think i've even ever seen any of these euro-exceptionalists even _breath_ the word 'nordicism'

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b_binaohan

instead, they appear content to dilute and confuse anti-racist discourse with their white mythologies and lies.

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b_binaohan

its why u should never ever fucking trust a single white person on race who wants to talk about 'nuance' but are fucking ignorant on history

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b_binaohan

and one of the most damaging things these euro-exceptionalists do is muddy the waters of what is and isn't white supremacy.

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b_binaohan

nordicism isn't white supremacy. it isn't even an extreme form of it. it requires, to an extent, white supremacy for its articulation

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but it cannot be reduced to it.

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b_binaohan

white supremacy is why, in nordicism, 'dark whites' like south/east euros are inferior BUT STILL superior to all non-white ppls.

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b_binaohan

white supremacy is also why northern Indigenous ppl like the Saami were always ALWAYS excluded from whiteness despite being 'northern euros'

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b_binaohan

within nordicism they are geographically positioned to be the 'best of whites' but never, ever included.

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b_binaohan

and, yeah, euro-exceptionalists conveniently forget about this non-white ppls in their calls for 'nuance'.

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b_binaohan

and, yeah, i go on one of these types of 'ethnic white' rants every few weeks it seems. but. fuck it. i can't help it.

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b_binaohan

it just fucking _gets_ me every single time i see one of the discussions go down.

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b_binaohan

bc you literally can get most of this knowledge from the wiki articles on nordicism and scientific racism (maybe eugenics too).

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b_binaohan

all you have to do is tie it altogether and make the connections between these ideas and historical events.

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b_binaohan

but as noted: ppl trying to push euro-exceptionalism aren't actually interested in nuanced discussions of race and white supremacy.

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b_binaohan

instead, they are doing the work of white supremacy by pushing white mythology as fact and diluting discourse.

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b_binaohan

as a note... this is also why i prefer to talk about white supremacy and not racism.

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b_binaohan

euro-exceptionalists can't counter with their 'its different here' when we are talking about white supremacy.

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b_binaohan

europe, the us, canada, all white settler states are all the same when it comes to white supremacy.

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b_binaohan

sure. some details and differences based on history and geography but the supremacy amounts to the same

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b_binaohan

esp. as far as those oppressed by white supremacy are concerned.

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b_binaohan

because as a pinay, let me tell you: i really don't give a fuck what the differences are between nordicism and racism.

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b_binaohan

both are part of white supremacy and both position white ppl as superior to me and as my oppressors.

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b_binaohan

what the fuck do i care if some white ppl think they are superior to other white ppl when BOTH think they are better than me?

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b_binaohan

like all of these euro-exceptionalists also don't seem to have time/space to discuss the actual nuances of white supremacy.

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b_binaohan

like. can i think of a single euro-exceptionalist ever ever bringing this up in the context of anti-Blackness or settler colonialism?

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let me think.... nope! doing so would make them all have to realize that they all benefit from anti-Blackness and settler colonialism.

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b_binaohan

and of course, this is why the 'europe is different' is such a fucking derail.

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b_binaohan

because there is no real difference between europe and the US when it comes to anti-Blackness (or settler colonialism). no difference at all

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b_binaohan

like... the ppl in my mentions asking about intersectionality... um. a disabled white person still oppress all poc along the axis of race

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b_binaohan

disability doesn't magically make race disappear.

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or whatever other axis of oppression.

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b_binaohan

but also like. i'm clearly talking about race and white supremacy. talking about _this_ at this moment doesn't diminish anything else.

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b_binaohan

moreover: i do not give a flying fuck about white ppl. regardless of what oppression they may experience. FYI for new followers.

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b_binaohan

also FYI for new followers: i'm not a feminist, my anxiety usually means that i won't engage most strangers.

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b_binaohan

things i do care about: examining my relative position of privilege as a light skin mestisa transpinay re: antiBlackness/settler colonialism

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b_binaohan

i have no time and space to care about white ppl. they can (and usually do) take care of themselves.

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b_binaohan

one last point before i get back to work: the relationship between nordicism and racism helps you understand a few things.

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b_binaohan

like how/why whiteness is and always has been a far more stable racial class than most people usually think.

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b_binaohan

since the creation of white supremacy (which predates racism) those ppl who are 'white' have largely been the same as they are now.

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b_binaohan

that's about 500 years of a stable, established identity. white supremacy is def. about more than just scientific racism or ideology.

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b_binaohan

racism (as science) codified and formalized the social/political ideology of white supremacy into a describable, explicable system

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b_binaohan

but racism, as science, really begins at the ascedence of british and french colonialism, and during the decline of spanish/portuguese

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b_binaohan

but also... that because racism (and white supremacy) are specific, historically bounded events/creations/ideas.

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b_binaohan

understanding and knowing the history/context of white supremacy helps clarify so many confusions and disputes in contemporary discourse.

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b_binaohan

and the funny thing is, is that ppl relying on ahistorical conceptions of race usually makes appeals to it to legitimize their oppression.

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even when it makes no sense

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b_binaohan

for all the ppl who're like 'white supremacy isn't the only oppression' this is actually my point right now.

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b_binaohan

but racism/white supremacy is such a powerful idea for how it structures the world that ppl _want_ to frame their oppression that way

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but amongst this anti-Blackness is also the most fundamental and powerful of racializations....

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which is why so many non-Black ppl (including/esp yt ppl) will attempt to frame our/their oppression in reference to it...

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b_binaohan

see all the times that Gay Inc. has framed homophobia as being the 'new Black'. (which is anti-Black, in case it needs to be said).

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b_binaohan

but this is also why (as we were somewhat discussing yesterday) for a lot of poc race COMES FIRST.

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b_binaohan

because race is powerful/effective enough that seems like THE oppression even though it isn't.

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it is an ideology with a specific context and a specific history.

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b_binaohan

you don't actually need to reframe your (non-racial) oppression within the framework to establish its legitimacy.

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b_binaohan

and doing so, esp if ur white, is simply to dilute and replicate white supremacy. which i guess might be the point, after all.

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b_binaohan

like... how much fucking time have i spent ranting and going on about this particular topic? a lot.

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how many times will i have to do this in the future? a lot.

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b_binaohan

why? bc white ppl can't help but do as they must to replicate and enforce white supremacy, even when they're trying to be anti-oppressive.